Ideal Number Of Full Bitcoin Nodes
Speakers: David Vorick
Date: March 4, 2017
Transcript By: Bryan Bishop
Media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mVOq1jaR1U&t=56m20s
https://twitter.com/kanzure/status/838481130944876544
Today I am going to be talking about bitcoin full nodes. Can everyone hear me? Okay, great. I don’t actually think there’s a specific number. I think a lot of people do. They look for a number. 5000 is about how many we have today, 6000. Some people ask whether it’s a good number. I think that’s the wrong way to look at the role of full nodes in the ecosystem.
I’ve been with bitcoin since 2011. I do a bunch of stuff. I am gonna skip this.
As a refresher for what bitcoin full nodes do, they validate bitcoin transactions. Bitcoin has this longest chain rule where the chain with the most work is the chain that everyone follows, except the chain has to also follow all the rules that the network has. The full nodes check that the chain follows the rules. If it doesn’t follow the rules, it doesn’t matter how much hashrate is behind it. It’s only the full nodes on the network that check this. And yes, so yeah that’s an important part of the ecosystem. “SPV” nodes don’t check the rules. They download the headers, they check most work, but they don’t check that the chain is valid. So they are making a gamble that if a miner produces an invalid block, the rest of the ecosystem will sort of detect invalid blocks and reject it and route around it and “SPV” nodes have blind faith in the broader network to do this process and make sure the longest chain is valid. But they don’t know. They are just assuming that the broader network is going to stay safe. So if you don’t do rule enforcement, you give miners the ability to do whatever they want. If people can spend each other’s money, or miners can do silent inflation, well it’s important that there are rules. Full nodes are really important to the bitcoin network.
Now we’re going to switch to some new stuff, which is a topic on network upgrades. When I say upgrade, what I really mean is a block that enforces different rules than most people are familiar with. Instead of invalid block, I am going to say attempted upgrade. It’s a block that follows different rules. To say invalid, doesn’t make a whole lot of sense in the context of a whole network. In the network today, we have Core nodes that follow the rules and then we have BU nodes that follow different rules. So a block might be valid to some nodes but not other nodes. If you have a block following different rules, you can’t say it’s invalid to the whole network, because there might be nodes trying to create a new network. Soft-forks don’t really change the rules, they are just more creative about how they use the rules.
When you have an attempted upgrade, you have a few things that happen. You split the chain into two pieces. The attempted upgrade either fails, and it gets rejected, the chain dies, nobody is using the coins, the old rules are the longest chain and the only ones that get used. Another thing that could happen is maybe you have miners on both sides, maybe you have full nodes on both sides doing payments, and that’s a partially successful upgrade. A completely successful upgrade would be one where the upgrade is universally adopted. A few weeks ago, a BU node mined a block that was larger than the max block size. The standard rule sets said that the max block size was lower; what happened was that the other miners rejected this block. It got orphaned. Nobody is mining on top of that block or that chain. It was an attempted upgrade that just failed, it was only one block long.
A successful partial upgrade would be the Ethereum Classic and Ethereum split when they addressed the DAO attack. They changed the rules in a way that was incompatible with old nodes. You had hashrate that the majority followed the new rules, but you still had a set of old rules where nodes were continuing to mine and enforce the old rules. So this was a partial upgrade for, as it was called, a coin split, where you have two live healthy ecosystems, one is a lot bigger than the other, but people who want to use the old ethereum rules and stick with the DAO disaster, that chain is alive and it exists and you can go use it today.
A successful upgrade, would be the Ethereum hard-forks that happened three more times after the DAO hard-fork. These did not result in chain forks. The other chains died entirely. So even though they hard-forked three times, it only resulted in one chain. So those were completely successful upgrades and nobody resisted those changes.
What goes into deciding whether an upgrade attepmt is successful? You could say that some sort of upgrade attempts could be blocked by miners, if nobody is mining on a chain, then miners could kill it even if there’s interest in a chain. But really if you want to push an upgrade to the network and disregard the miners, you could change the PoW or the header format and you can upgrade without consent of the miners. What it boils down to is the full nodes. Are people accepting money on this new set of rules or the old set of rules? If I want to participate in a set of rules on a network, are there other people to participate with? Is there a community? Full nodes are the only ones that have full visibility into this. They are the ones that decide whether or not an upgrade is going to be successful or accepted or partially accepted or whether it will fail completely.
That’s sort of one of the central points of this talk: if you are not running a full node, your opinion on whether you like a hard-fork is less relevant because ultimately if you are not validating the rules and someone gives you a transaction following a different rule-set you won’t know anyway. So you shouldn’t really be able to weigh in on the outcome of an attempted upgrade either way, in this case.
An add-on to this is that if there’s money to be made mining a block, someone is going to mine this. Even if you have an ecosystem where miners are super-hostile to a fork that the users want, if the users execute the hard-fork and the coin is getting used and it has value, someone is going to go pickup the mining reward. It might not be the same miners. But if there’s user energy behind a certain coin, there’s monetary reward, and someone is going to go and get it. Miners don’t really have the power to cut off hard-forks. Really it comes down to full-nodes actively accepting payments on a certain coin. Yeah.
If there is a hard-fork and you’re running a “SPV” node, you’re depending on other full nodes in the ecosystem to tell you whether the transactions are valid. You are depending on them to represent you and your opinion in the outcome of the hard-fork. If there are malicious full nodes out there, they might tell you they are on one side of the hard-fork when they are actually on the other. As an “SPV” node, you don’t know. Generally speaking it’s probably okay to think that you will find trustworthy parties to tell you the truth, but yeah you’re trusting them to be there. During a bitter hard-fork where one side of the ecosystem is going one way and the other is going th eother way, “SPV” nodes are basically left out to dry. They can’t be certain that they are on the side of the fork that they support.
I think we’ve said this enough times. You can think of full nodes as analogous to representation in a democracy… if you, it’s sort of like voting, if there’s a contentious change being proposed to the network and you’re able to run a full node, you can put your stick in the sand and say you will not accept coins from chains that have 8 MB blocks or whatever. That’s sort of an economic weight… when full nodes choose not to participate in a chain, that reduces the weight. If we take a bitcoin payment processor like Bitpay and they decide they want to be on one side or another of a fork, that will have an impact on the value of the coins on those sides. So Bitpay has this big representation and when they vote, they are going to impact the value of the coin because that influences where the coin can be spent and what the coin is useful for. And so this is sort of an aristocratic arrangement. If you are someone who accepts a low-dollar value transaction once a month, the ecosystem will care less which side of the ecosystem you end up on. But if you are a giant, your weight means a lot more. Full node number is not as relevant as the amount of economic participation from that full node.
Coercive upgrades are where it’s important to have full nodes. If we have a situation where the miners, Bitpay, Coinbase and other major payment hubs in the bitcoin ecosystem all agree on a change that the users in general feel is hostile to them, the users if they aren’t running full nodes can be dragged along anyway. If you aren’t running a full node and your infrastructure decides to pick an upgrade, you have no recourse and you have no way to catch up. This is a much bigger problem if you’re unable to run a full node if it’s too expensive. Today I am guessing a lot of us don’t run full nodes. In the event of turmoil it’s currently somewhat easy to spin up a full node and check. If the block size was much larger, and you required $1k of bandwidth to catch up, well if you can’t afford that then it’s too bad and you have already lost control.
The next major talking point here is that if full nodes are expensive to run, then only those people who can afford to run the bandwidth have any say in the contentious upgrade. In the case of ethereum classic hard-fork, the ecosystem said yes we are going to do the hard-fork, there was wiggle room for the others to say no we’re going to have a say and not let that happen. If ethereum full nodes were more expensive, then they wouldn’t have been able to do that at all. So this is why the correct number of full nodes is not really a number. If powerful businesses and big institutions are the only ones able to run full nodes, it doesn’t matter if only 100,000 nodes exist — they have different priorities than individuals anyway. The people deciding how the coin progresses in the ecosystem, aren’t you. So the correct number of full nodes is: can I run one then yes. Coinbase never has to worry about the number of full nodes; they can run one, if they disagree about something, they will always be able to run full nodes. At a personal level, you should feel the same way: if you are able to run a full node, you don’t have to worry about it. But if the bandwidth costs go up, then you should probably complain. If things go wrong, are you going to be motivated enough to actually run a full node to make sure that my opinion and economic weight is getting applied in a way that I would like it to be? And can you afford that?
So that’s the major point of this talk. Full nodes are super important. You should really care if you can run a full node. The fact that there are 6000 full nodes out there that aren’t you, shouldn’t bring you much confidence because they might not share your ideas about how the currency should upgrade. During contentious times, like the block size debate, you should be conscious of the fact that you don’t matter unless you’re running a full node. Often you can find someone to represent you, so maybe connect to full nodes that have the same ideology as you do, but if they are trying to represent 100,000 users then they might not represent you super-well. If you run a full node on your own, then you can represent yourself perfectly well.
If we’re going to pick a number to help the scaling discussion along, how big should blocks be? When is it okay to make full nodes more expensive? I think it really makes sense to look at the transaction price. There are two ways that people are priced out of the bitcoin ecosystem. The first is that full nodes become too expensive: you become a guest to people who are able to run full nodes. The second way is if transactions become too expensive, it doesn’t matter if you can run a full node if it costs $100,000 to send a transaction and bitcoin isn’t useful to you anyway. The ideal validation cost for a full node is where the transaction price meets the full node cost in terms of people being priced out. You want people to be priced out at the same time. If transaction fees are super high, then maybe it makes sense to increase the full node cost.
And then this is sort of just a personal opinion or side tangent, when it comes to decentralization and looking at transaction fees, you shoudn’t be looking at a $0.50 fee and saying oh coffee is too expensive now. A $0.50 fee is not too high– when we’re talking about bitcoin, we want to be protecting against censorship, hyperinflation, government asset seizure, things that aren’t really a problem in the United States but if you’re in another country you want to be immune from political garbage that threatens your money. If your $3 coffee is victim to 10,000% hyperinflation, I mean, a fee is not so bad compared to that… Also, I would argue that right now full nodes are too expensive. And really, in dollar terms, the size of a full node, 100 GB of storage I think, in dollar terms that’s not the biggest problem, that’s like $2 bucks. Other parts of running the node is more expensive. In psychological terms, when we’re talking about every day users about running a full node, they look at their 500 GB hard drive, they see they are using 50% and then they think well if I am using a bitcoin full node then I am losing half of my remaining space and even though it’s $2 it’s still a massive psychological barrier. I don’t know how pruned nodes adjust this equation; regardless of the dollar cost of running a full node, I would say it’s the hard drive space is the biggest problem facing us, even if bandwidth is technically more expensive.
Full nodes are really important. You should care if you are able to run a full node. In the broad ecosystem, I think people tend to undervalue full nodes by a lot. I think it’s really important htat people protect the sanctity of full nodes and appreciate how they function to keep the system decentralized and out of control from parties that have different ideas about what’s best than you do. Thank you.